Page for discussions regarding potential items for "In the news"
This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.
This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.
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How to nominate an item
In order to suggest a candidate:
- Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
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- Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
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- Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
- Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.
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Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.
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Voicing an opinion on an item
- Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
- Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
- The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.
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- add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
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March 9
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March 8
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(Posted) RD: Kind
Nominator's comments: Irish/British brood mare and former racehorse, her most famous offspring was the unbeaten Frankel. Article in pretty decent shape (surprisingly!) JW 1961 Talk 23:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article better quality than many human RD noms. SpencerT•C 01:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support It would be cruel not to spread the word. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:56, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:23, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Rheal Cormier
– Muboshgu (talk) 21:41, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Canadian baseball player. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support decently referenced and suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 10:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Pretty good quality article, plus Cormier was a pretty notable player, particularly for the Phillies, during his MLB career. Go Phightins! 10:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Lars Göran Petrov
Nominator's comments: Death Metal vocalist Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 11:57, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose while article is orange tagged for more citations JW 1961 Talk 12:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Article pretty low quality --Rockin (Talk) 19:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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2021 Bata explosions
Nominator's comments: Still a stub, nominating for attention. Large death toll, and on the home page of many news sources. Vanamonde (Talk) 06:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is way too short right now. Also, I'm getting a little tired of every mass casualty event getting posted to ITN. Mlb96 (talk) 06:24, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality too short, yes. Not opposed on principle - don't see much stuff off Equatorial Guinea. Juxlos (talk) 08:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose due to the article being far too short. However, it's notable enough for ITN; if the article is greatly expanded it should be posted. Jim Michael (talk) 10:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support Article is short, but covers the bases and is well referenced. Could still use some expansion, however. --Jayron32 11:54, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality it's barely start class article, under 2,000 characters of text. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:00, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Borderline in terms of fatalities. Weak significance in that the explosion of stored dynamite was accidental. [1] [2] – Sca (talk) 14:43, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- However, it's looking more serious in terms of deaths. Toll upped to 31. – Sca (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- The death toll is reported as 98. Jim Michael (talk) 21:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- I updated the original blurb. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support significant death toll, article is short but what is there is cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 03:28, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Olivier Dassault
Nominator's comments: French billionaire politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:56, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment as of now it's a stub requiring some referencing, but as it is being heavily edited will re-visit JW 1961 Talk 20:12, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment the article needs to be expanded first. (more citations and information) Vacant0 (talk) 20:23, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I agree with the previous two commenters that it needs some expansion and quite a bit more sourcing; the French version of the article should be a good basis for that. I also note (as it's not obvious in the article) that he made his billions the old-fashioned way; he inherited them. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
March 6
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March 5
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(Posted) RD: Bill C. Davis
Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 5). —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Frank J. Kelley
Article: Frank J. Kelley (
talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)News source(s): Berman, Laura; LeBlanc, Beth; Mauger, Craig (March 6, 2021). "Frank Kelley, Michigan's 'eternal general,' dies at 96". The Detroit News.Egan, Paul (March 6, 2021). "Michigan's 'Eternal General' Frank Kelley dies at age 96". Detroit Free Press.Frank J. Kelley. Who's Who in American Law. Marquis Who's Who. 1971. p. 284. Retrieved December 12, 2018.Bingham, Emily (February 2, 2016). "Memoir Tells Story of State Attorney General Frank Kelley". Traverse, Northern Michigan’s Magazine. Retrieved December 12, 2018.Novak, Paul F. (July 2016). "Review: The People's Lawyer: The Life and Times of Frank J. Kelley: the Nation's Longest-serving Attorney General by Frank J. Kelley and Jack Lessenberry" (PDF). Michigan Bar Journal: 58–59. Retrieved December 12, 2018.Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Oppose for now more refs needed in "Michigan Attorney General", no references in "Term Limits" and "Later Career" sections, ping if fixed then I could support JW 1961 Talk 22:38, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD only as now well cited, does not meet the significance for blurb JW 1961 Talk 12:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Certainly not notable enough for a blurb, and the article needs some more work for even an RD at this point. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are multiple paragraphs without citations. Also I don't think a state official is blurb-worthy. P-K3 (talk) 22:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- There are citations for every paragraph. I expect that the NY Times will carry his obituary, which should reinforce it. I recognize we are in 'fly over country,' but it does not diminish his contribution, which I will continue to expand upon. His record is worthwhile and merits a blurb... IMO 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'll be the first person in line to call out anti-Midwest bias where I see it... but the fact is, nothing about this person merits a blurb. Per WP:ITNRD,
"The death of major figures, including transformative world leaders in their field, may merit a blurb. These cases are rare, and are usually posted on a sui generis basis"
. Kelley was neither a world leader nor transformative. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD No sub-national political official is significant enough to post as a blurb death, barring significance that comes from outside of their political office. It appears that everything is now cited, so this is perfectly fine for RD. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:19, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb - Comes nowhere near being notable enough for a blurb. --WaltCip-(talk) 15:40, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support RD only article is good enough for RD, but state officials are not ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not sure how being old and doing a job a long time equates to being transformative. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb this isn't even close to the standard for blurbs; most US governors and senators don't get blurbs, a row officer (even one who served for 30 years) certainly will not have a death blurb due to their political career. Weak Oppose RD for now as well - I've cleared up two obvious mistakes in the article but there's still some peacock language in there. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:16, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- So get rid of the blurb and do a redirect. He is dead. You apparently have nothing to say about the state of the article. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- You must be new here; "RD" stands for "Recent Deaths" and not "Redirect" on this page. As you seem to agree that it's not a suitable candidate for a blurb, I've removed it from the header. And I said that there's "peacock language" (
His electoral successes were unequaled both in terms of duration and the magnitude of his victories.
- which is only really true about the state of Michigan), which is about the state of the article. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral on RD - re the above comment if you're going to propose a blurb for an obscure person (I mean, is he really Thatcher/Mandela ballpark when it comes to being transformative?) then don't complain if people oppose (or indeed support) that blurb request. Anyway, looking at the quality I think it's almost OK. My main reservation is that for a 38-year career as attorney general, that section is extremely light on anything he achieved. The stuff about "consumer protection and environmental protection", and the tobacco thing are maybe enough for me not to oppose, but I really think a few more achievements from his time in office should be added for this to be considered a properly representative article. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 13:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- I wasn't complaining. I was trying to take into account the concerns expressed above. I'll add some more achievements. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:41, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Mogadishu bombing
Nominator's comments: Article is a stub but can be expanded with more English source covered. Masem (t) 18:55, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now because the article consists of two sentences. Also, I'm skeptical of frontpage coverage of routine events (sports victories, natural disasters, prime ministerial appointments, or sadly suicide bombings). Sandstein 19:20, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose (for now), too short. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:32, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Wait – Sketchy, not widely reported (as of midnight Saturday). – Sca (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose based purely on article length - at the moment it is a two sentence stub that isn't really ready to be posted on the main page. If the article is expanded a bit the event is probably notable enough to post. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 03:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose unless it's greatly expanded. It's the most deadly attack of the 2020s in Somalia & easily notable enough to be posted. However, it's far too short for ITN. Jim Michael (talk) 14:14, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub. Will reconsider when it has been expanded. --Jayron32 11:53, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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RD: Mark Pavelich
Nominator's comments: U.S. Hockey Miracle on Ice center. Assisted with game-winning goal against Soviet Union team. CoatCheck (talk) 02:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. No sources at all in the first half of the article. Black Kite (talk) 19:54, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Like BlackKite says lacks clearly sources. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:29, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Walter Gretzky
Nominator's comments: Unfortunately out of my area of expertise and poorly referenced. I imagine this will not get posted, but maybe the right editor will see this and fix up the article. Floydian τ ¢ 21:55, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning oppose Article is OK but not yet ready for the main page. Tucker Gladden 👑 23:07, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note I've added a bunch of references where they were lacking. I think this should be good to go now. - Floydian τ ¢ 02:53, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks better, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Well referenced now JW 1961 Talk 22:45, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support, article is now ready for the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 00:08, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 01:10, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Phil Chisnall
Bloom6132 (talk) 20:51, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Short but appropriate depth of coverage; referenced. SpencerT•C 21:32, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support a nicely formatted and sufficiently (for RD) in-depth sports bio. TJMSmith (talk) 22:59, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Helmut Winschermann
Nominator's comments: Centenarian, Oboist, Conductor Grimes2 (talk) 14:43, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Conductor until his death at 100...wow. Sufficiently referenced. CoatCheck (talk) 16:39, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support short but sufficient for RD, well sourced JW 1961 Talk 20:07, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 22:55, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Hugh Newell Jacobsen
Bloom6132 (talk) 01:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Turkish Air Force helicopter crash
Up for 30 hours, no comments for 9 hours, consensus will not form to post this.
Black Kite (talk) 23:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Nominator's comments: A high-ranking military authority died in the crashed. Lieutenant general, and the commander of the 8th Corps. Seems major enough. --► Sincerely:
SolaVirum 17:47, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- We generally do not post military craft disasters that involve military personnel include high-ranking ones, as that's usually considered part of their duty. --Masem (t) 18:33, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral, leaning oppose I struggle to want to post this as it did gain attention internationally with AP & Reuters creating articles which are sourced in the Wiki article, but at the same time, I don't know if this qualifies for ITN. I know 2020 ROCAF UH-60M crash wasn't ITN worthy, which was a military helicopter crash that killed 7. That 2020 crash also has a reuters article sourced. (Also for editors wondering why I keep using AP/Reuters, it is because a large scale survey years ago found them to be the most trustworthy and neutral English news outlets). Elijahandskip (talk) 03:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per comment of Masem, I would agree, it is part of their duty. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:19, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose per above. Military air accidents are fairly common, even those involving multiple fatalities. Unless this has some kind of further impact (e.g. leading to a diplomatic crisis or the grounding of aircraft) I don't think this qualifies for posting. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 10:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose sadly not totally unexpected part of the job. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Military work is dangerous and they assume risks like this when taking the job(unlike passenger aircraft). If the general who tragically perished had an article, it could be posted to RD, but that's probably the only way something about this tragedy would make it. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- 331dot I wouldn't even agree for "just a general" with an article. I would really only see it be posted if it was the top headline in a lot of RS (aka it would have to be a better story for the media than politics) or if a countries top brass had a member die (For America, like one of the 6 members of the General staff, aka the top from each branch). Elijahandskip (talk) 11:39, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I meant that an article about the general would be posted as an RD, not that it would merit this crash posting. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oh. My bad. Elijahandskip (talk) 12:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is sufficient, and there's evidence of significant news coverage. --Jayron32 13:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose due to it not being notable enough for ITN. It's notable enough for an article, but there's nothing that makes it of interest to ITN. An ordinary military crash with a low death toll is nothing remarkable, unless the crash is caused deliberately, or civilians are also killed - neither of which is the case in this instance. Jim Michael (talk) 13:44, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per previous and others. Not noticeably in the news either. (Also, pic shows German chopper, not a Turkish-owned one.) – Sca (talk) 14:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- The caption on image says "A AS532 Cougar, similar to the helicopter that crashed"- I'm guessing we don't have an image of a Turkish one, but the German one is the same model? Joseph2302 (talk) 16:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- The same model in different national markings doesn't illustrate the article. (BTW, the AS532 is a French-made helicopter, not German.) – Sca (talk) 23:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - A military accident isn't quite significant for ITN. STSC (talk) 14:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Sca What attention is needed here? 331dot (talk) 16:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Closing it, presumably. I'll give it until 24 hours is up and do so unless something major changes. Black Kite (talk) 17:15, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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- I'm not afraid, but there is some support here. I was planning on something similar to what Black Kite indicated. 331dot (talk) 23:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment We don't tend to cover local election, even less announcements. --Tone 17:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose A state election is not notable enough for ITN, even if that state has 91 million people. Also, the actual election hasn't taken place yet- if we were to post the election, it would be after the election has happened, and the results announced. Although we only post for nationwide elections. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- WP:SNOW oppose Announcement of a candidacy for a local election? Yeah, this isn't getting posted. Mlb96 (talk) 17:29, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
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March 3
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- 2021 Myanmar protests
- Thirty-eight protesters are shot dead and 30 more are wounded by the military and police as protests against the February 1 coup continue across the country. A meeting of ASEAN nations called for restraint of the security forces but failed to unanimously call for the release of ousted leader Aung San Suu Kyi. (BBC)
- Vetlanda stabbing attack
- Seven people are wounded, three of whom critically, after being attacked by a man with an axe in Vetlanda, Sweden. Authorities are treating the incident as a terrorist attack. The perpetrator, a man in his 20s, is shot by police and arrested. (Euronews)
- Colombian conflict
- Allied Democratic Forces insurgency
- Suspected ADF militants kill 8 civilians during a shooting attack at a market in Mambelenga, Democratic Republic of the Congo. ADF attacks have increased, with more than 140 people killed by the group since the beginning of the year. (Reuters)
- Second Libyan Civil War
- Aftermath of the Zamfara kidnapping
- A reunion of students, kidnapped in Zamfara a week ago, and their parents in Jangebe, Nigeria turns violent after the armed forces open fire, as the parents protests about what happened to their daughters. Three people are shot. (BBC)
- 2019–2021 Persian Gulf crisis
- Tigray War
- Following pressure from the international community, Ethiopia releases three reporters working for the BBC, AFP and Financial Times, alongside two local news reporter and two translators without charge. No reason was given for their arrest, and it is still unclear if four other journalists have been released. (BBC)
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(Posted) RD: Benedict J. Fernandez
Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 3). —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:55, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support looks suitable for RD, well sourced JW 1961 Talk 20:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:44, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joe Altobelli
– Muboshgu (talk) 16:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Myanmar protests
Nominator's comments: I know this is already in ongoing, but I believe today's developments with 38 dead protestors is sufficient to return this to a blurb. The article has not yet been updated, but I expect to see the article updated within the next twelve hours or so, and perhaps nominating this will bring some additional attention to the article. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose (for now) - sources are barely reliable for the amount of Deaths (currently they are all based on statements by HR groups), there is a lot of NPOV Editing ongoing. I see the need and the good faith and I agree but we need more and better sourcing, there is a lot of political activism ongoing. Many recently registered Users adding stuff barely sourced. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Advise a revision to Support the United Nations can probably be cited as a reliable source.[1] Moreover, a massacre of this scale probably should be ITNed based on significance. Osunpokeh (talk) 16:45, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Osunpokeh: 1. Please take note of WP:SIGHOW 2.The quoted source does not confirm the number of deaths ("...are difficult to confirm"). 3. More important is the quality of the article, see WP:ITN CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:49, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- @CommanderWaterford and Hanamanteo: Advise a revision to Support; I've sorted out the remaining tags, added citations, and removed unverifiable text where needed. I believe I've made a good compromise in terms of the infobox fatalities, which there's plenty of precedence for. Uses x (talk) 02:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support - certainly meets significance for ITN and the article is well referenced and updated. NPOV problems appear to be over. Uses x (talk) 13:05, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Uses x, NPOV problems seem to be over? The article is everything but not well referenced, almost all sources provided do cite third HR organizations, Page has also been requested from several Editors for Protection. CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- CommanderWaterford As long as the information the HR organizations provide is correct (that's the question) they're valid sources, bias or not, as long as the bias doesn't enter the article; see WP:BIASEDSOURCES.
I've added a current event template to confirm the changing information. The requests for page protection have been denied so that's moot, and I don't see enough recent vandalism for that to change. Uses x (talk) 16:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Uses x, Regarding the page protection: This is not wholesome correct, the first one (different than mine) had been denied, the second one (SPP) only received a bot notification of the first denial, I will bring this eventually to attention tomorrow. Regarding of WP:BIASEDSOURCES are we of the same opinion. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Uses x, fyi: Protected. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:15, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. First of all, the sources [7] say 38 people died on 3 March, not 50. Secondly, there is only a few lines of text about these 38 deaths in that article- most of the article text is related to the ongoing protests, which are already in the ITN Ongoing section. I don't see enough coverage and article updates to justify an ITN blurb in addition to the mention in ITN Ongoing section. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- The only way I would switch to support is if enough content about it emerges that it warrant multiple paragraphs in the general 2021 Myanmar protests article, or it becomes notable enough for an independent article that is more than just a stub. Neither of which looks remotely like happening right now. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302: The fatality count has been updated in the article, with a number verified by the United Nations Human Rights chief. I've expanded the fatalities to list 3 people (all I could find info on), one of whom is a politician from the opposition party which is notable. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has announced sanctions specifically over the deaths (added to the article), and the deaths are fueling further protests, so the deaths themselves are notable. Uses x (talk) 04:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Alt1 – Number of new fatalities significant; leads most Eng.-lang. RS sites. – Sca (talk) 14:53, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Sca, Citation of your previously mentioned AP source: "...though accounts are difficult to confirm inside the country." Furthermore the number of fatalities does not bring an article automatically into ITN - significance AND article quality are essential WP:ITN. CommanderWaterford (talk) 15:45, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah I know, but it's prominently in the news and given the sudden (Wed.) increase in mortality the topic is timely and significant enough to remove from the obscurity of Ongoing and feature on the Main Page again. – Sca (talk) 16:28, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support The increase in mortality overnight clearly makes this blurbable rather than leaving in ongoing. I see about 3 tagged sources needing improved reliability but that's a drop in the bucket in terms of overall sourcing quality. --Masem (t) 17:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - There's enough exposure in the ongoing section. STSC (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Having that much protester deaths in this region is noteworthy, and should be included in ITN. MarioJump83! 06:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Article had been protected for recurring Disruptive Editing. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:15, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support In international news and it's a big story This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are {{citation needed}} and several tags in main article. Hanamanteo (talk) 19:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Article was mentioned a couple of minutes ago in Wikipedias Twitter feed (!?!) CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Why not, it's been on the main page for a few weeks now. --Jayron32 20:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Jayron32, I do not read the main page but I am wondering why to discuss this thread here when somewhere else it is posted without obviously asking the community. So I asked for the policy who decides how and when is something posted to Twitter. CommanderWaterford (talk) 08:48, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
- The Wikimedia Foundation runs that account. We on ITN have nothing to do with it. --WaltCip-(talk) 15:43, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Àlex Casademunt
Nominator's comments: Shocking death from a very famous singer in Spain. I've just created his article, most of the paragraphs are referenced, although there's a section that I'll work on after dinner. Cleaning is needed about grammar.. Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Nom. Comment I think it's now fully referenced. Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Needs a bit of translation work, such as On 18 January 2018 was born his only daughter, Bruna, fruit of his relationship with Laia. I applaud nom for doing the citation work. Lettlerhello • contribs 04:35, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Attention required It seems pretty ready, if anyone else can take a look it would be great. Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support , well known singer in Spain. Article in good shape. Alexcalamaro (talk) 13:54, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now The English is still `non-native' in many places. The lead has "who emerged from the musical contest", for starters. The personal section should be arranged in chronological order. And so on. 73.81.124.183 (talk) 15:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- NOM. COMMENT Personal life is updated. I know he's not an American or British guy, but his page has been very close or fully ready for hours. If people can improve its grammar, please do it. Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support good enough, I don't see any glaring problems with grammar. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:23, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 19:32, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Chris Barber
Bloom6132 (talk) 09:58, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support, looks fine, was surprised how short it is. I believe OBE doesn't belong under Private life, would specify partnerships as musical, and don't think time is "leading up", but that's peanuts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support, have addressed the peanuts. Looks in good shape. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 15:20, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bunny Wailer
Nominator's comments: Original member and namesake of The Wailers - a true giant of Jamaican reggae. hydrox (talk) 00:35, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Oppose Needs citations. Don't know exactly why nom removed the citations template I placed; I have added it back again and marked the text needing citations. Lettlerhello • contribs 01:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I assessed the situation as improved, but thank you for the clarification. --hydrox (talk) 01:36, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It's quite unfortunate that the article is very short without much verification, Wailer was a very influential person in his field. Hopefully, the article will soon be improved. User talk:reallylazy • 12:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Much improved. 10 albums left to source, but uncontentious and should not be too difficult. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks better now. Lettlerhello • contribs 00:24, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. TJMSmith (talk) 02:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Imperial County car crash
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Nominator's comments: Short, but sure to grow as more details become available. Significant and unusual number of deaths. 27 people crammed into a vehicle built for 8.
LaserLegs (
talk) 00:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Barring massive car accidents (multivehicle), we generally do not post accidents involving private vehicles. Also, we'd probably not even have an article on such an accident in the first place per NOT#NEWS (it is not the type of thing that would get investigated by a gov't board like planes, trains, or even commercial boats). --Masem (t) 00:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- A bus accident kills 19 in Hong Kong --LaserLegs (talk) 00:15, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Public transit is not private. There would be an investigation of such a public transit crash. --Masem (t) 00:18, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem:Just in case your watchlist shows a different view of the encyclopedia than mine does, a great deal of editing activity on this site is wasted on mindlessly parroting today's or yesterday's headlines with little regard for the big picture. For example, I get tired of being told that people who have been notable for decades aren't actually notable simply because the mainstream media quit writing about them by the time Wikipedia came along, then they die and all of a sudden they're notable if their death resulted in a headline, leading to a turd of an article reflecting that coverage of their death but laughable when judged as a biography. Maybe the overall problem needs to be addressed instead of pooh-poohing every little example. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm one of the first people in line that WP has a problem with how most handle NOT#NEWS. We can keep articles up-to-date with breaking news that we know is of encyclopedic value (such major corporate mergers or a movie winning a major award) and include breaking events that we know will have long-term impacts (eg like the Jan 6 Capitol riots or a major aircraft disaster). But we have a problem that people see the minute in the news and feel the need to write about it, leading to articles that are filled with proseline and timelines and non-encyclopedic coverage of events at the end of the day. Traffic accidents involving private vehicles rarely are of encyclopedic nature because there won't be any long-tail coverage of the event. It may make the news but its not encyclopedic. --Masem (t) 02:36, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Is there some sort of point you're making about ITN's tendency to post so-called "disaster stubs", LaserLegs? P-K3 (talk) 00:34, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- They crammed 27 people into a vehicle built for 8, and crashed it. This is probably the most notable vehicle crash to be nominated in a decade. Also, while CalTrans isn't releasing details, the Mexican Consulate has been contacted which means the victims were more than likely illegals. I'll forgive you for assuming bad faith on my part. Also, I'm working on adding a map, I just struggle with that template. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:38, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - no long-term impact. Banedon (talk) 01:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose a tragedy, and a story I saw in the US news. However, apart from MINIMUMDEATHS argument, there's no claim of impact yet. The article is definitely a stub. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose—I'm not even sure that the article would survive AfD at this juncture. Without some lasting impact, the situation isn't that noteworthy. (It's still a tragedy though.) Imzadi 1979 → 01:37, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose A dreadful tragedy but long term impact is highly doubtful. I concur with Imzadi1979 in questioning whether it would pass WP:EVENT. Basically it's a bad traffic accident. Sorry, those happen every day all over the world. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose a "disaster stub" which has literally zero encyclopedic value. This probably deserves deletion, likely to be covered by a single sentence in a list article somewhere about routine traffic accidents in the US. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose not ITN worthy, more likely to succeed at AFD than ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:31, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Wait Given the number of passengers and the size of the vehicle, it seems likely that some, if not most, would have been children. This has obvious tie-ins with illegal immigration and child trafficking. So, not really a "routine traffic accident". There may be more to this story, and I'd ask that we leave it open for the time being. No one would describe the Essex lorry deaths being confined to accidents or vehicles.130.233.213.199 (talk) 11:40, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- No they wouldn't. That was the murder/manslaughter of 39 Vietnamese people. Certainly not a highway accident. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:20, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is important enough to post & easily important enough for an article - regardless of its location. It was a serious crime as well as an accident. Had the SUV driver survived, he'd have very likely been sent to prison for years. He squeezed 25 people (including himself) into a vehicle made for 8, in which most of the seats had been removed to cram more people in. Even if the victims were neither illegal immigrants nor working illegally, the circumstances make this an unusual crash. Jim Michael (talk) 13:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Nope. It's an overloaded vehicle and some people died. If this had happened anywhere but the US it would just be dismissed as "meh, another road traffic accident because people were being stupidly negligent". The article is flimsy "an accident happened, the road was closed, someone said it was sad, people are being informed". This has practically no encyclopedic value: it wouldn't make the top 50,000 news stories of the year. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Briefly in the news in California but of no major significance.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. I know we desperately need blurbs to post, but this stub might not even pass WP:EVENT, let alone have enough significance to justify posting in ITN. If we had a blurb for every car crash with ~a dozen deaths, ITN would be a continual stream of bus and coach crashes from around the world. Modest Genius talk 14:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Vernon Jordan
Nominator's comments: Very influential civil rights activist and Democratic Party insider. I recently got this photo of him to FP status. Article appears to be in good shape. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support – notable and I've added more references to the article, it's in a good shape and suitable for ITN. Vacant0 (talk) 17:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The first paragraph in the "Legal career and activism" section has no citations. Mlb96 (talk) 17:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – A somewhat fading household name in the U.S., but perhaps not widely known enough elsewhere for a blurb. – Sca (talk) 18:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Weak oppose That paragraph does need citing, and the lead is rather short too.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Mlb96: @Pawnkingthree: References and lead text added. Vacant0 (talk) 20:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support, thanks.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good enough. Tucker Gladden 👑 21:22, 2 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucker Gladden (talk • contribs)
- One small bone I have to pick is with the sentence
In 1998 Jordan helped Monica Lewinsky, a former White House intern, after she left the White House.
Helped her with what? If my memory of 1998 is correct, he helped her find a job, but given the nature of that situation, we should be spelling it out more clearly. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: Yes, find a job and he recommended an attorney she briefly used. I've added that.-- P-K3 (talk) 21:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Great, thanks. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted All issues resolved. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting comment There are two unreferenced awards. One of which which was sneakily linked to a reference statement, but which was not mentioned in the reference, and another which had no reference at all at time of posting.130.233.2.122 (talk) 14:55, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Refs added. SpencerT•C 21:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ian St John
Nominator's comments: Couple of cites needed, but looks good apart from that. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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